Episode 1105 | THE LINE: Bernalillo County’s Security Camera Analytical Network

Episode 1105 | THE LINE: Bernalillo County’s Security Camera Analytical Network


>>BACK TO THE LINE TABLE FOR
THE FINAL TOPIC THIS WEEK. ON MONDAY, THE CITY OF
ALBUQUERQUE AND SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
OFFICE ANNOUNCED, THEIR CRIME FIGHTING INITIATIVE, THE
SECURITY CAMERA ANALYTICAL NETWORK, OR SCAN. THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A LARGE
SECURITY CAMERA MAP BY GETTING BUSINESSES AND HOMEOWNERS TO
VOLUNTARILY REGISTER THE CAMERAS THEY HAVE. COULD GO A LONG WAY TO
ASSISTING INVESTIGATIONS PROVIDING POLICE WITH CONTACT
INFORMATION FOR OWNERS OF SUCH CAMERAS LOCATED IN AREAS WHERE
CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED. INTERESTING, I AM THINKING
ABOUT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE WE GOT A LOT OF VIDEO
OUT THERE, THE GREEN JEANS SITUATION UP THERE, THE VIDEO
CAMERA THE GUY SKULKING AROUND THAT PIZZA PLACE ON MOUNTAIN.>>HOW ABOUT EVERY BANK
ROBBERY? DRIVE DOWN PASEO AND THERE IS
CONSTANT PICTURES AND VIDEOS. DID YOU SEE THIS GUY? MAYBE THE ANSWER IS NOT WE
NEED MORE ACCESS TO VIDEO, WE NEED MORE COPS THAT CAN GO OUT
AND DO THEIR JOB.>>HOW DO YOU ASSESS IT AS A
TOOL?>>I AM SURE EVERYTHING IS A
TOOL. THIS SEEMS TO BE A RESPONSE TO
RJ BERRY GETTING CRIME FIGHTER FOR THE YEAR FOR THE
ALBUQUERQUE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS THIS
GOING TO DO? WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO YOU TO BE
ABLE TO SEE A CRIME BEING COMMITTED IF YOU DON’T HAVE
THE PERSONNEL TO SEND THEM OUT TO GO FIGHT THE CRIME. I GUESS WE ARE — ARE WE GOING
TO BECOME A SOCIETY WHERE WE HAVE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE AND
SORT OF SOME OF THE STUFF — SOPHIE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS
BUT I DID A QUICK LOOK AT ENGLAND. THEIR PHILOSOPHY IS BASICALLY
LET HAPPEN WHAT HAPPENS, THEN WE’LL GO AFTER IT AND TAKE
CARE OF IT.>>WE DON’T HAVE THE
PHILOSOPHY. WE WANT TO STOP CRIME FROM
HAPPENING. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE
ALBUQUERQUE IS PUNTING AND SAYING, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
DO IS NOT HIRE MORE COPS. WE ARE GOING TO GET YOU GUYS
TO BUY THIS SCAM, INSTEAD OF SCAN, IT IS A SCAM, WE’LL GET
THE INFORMATION FROM YOU AND EVENTUALLY BY WE’LL MAKE OUR
WAY DOWN TO SOLVING THE CRIME. IF YOU’RE A CRIMINAL, IT LOOKS
LIKE YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY TO
COMMIT YOUR CRIME AND GET AWAY. I DON’T DISAGREE IT IS A TOOL
BUT I THINK IT IS TALKING ABOUT TOOLS WHEN WE NEED TO
FOCUS ON THE REAL ISSUE BEFORE US WHICH IS GETTING MORE COPS
AND PEOPLE ON THE STREETS AND GETTING POLICE FORCE TRAINED.>>WHAT IF THEY GET THIS THING
TO A PLACE WHERE IN REALTIME, YOU’RE A PART OF THE NETWORK,
YOU VOLUNTARILY PUT YOUR CAMERA AS PART OF THE NETWORK,
SAY, THE GREEN JEANS SITUATION WHERE IN REALTIME, THE POLICE
IN THAT SUBSTATION SEE SOMEONE INSIDE THAT BUSINESS AND REACT
ACCORDINGLY. IS THAT NOT A GOOD THING FOR A
BUSINESS?>>WELL, GOOD QUESTION. I REALLY QUESTION WHETHER THAT
IS POSSIBLE. I MEAN, AT SOME LEVEL,
TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND THE BUDGETS THAT WE
HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TAKING A BUNCH OF
INDIVIDUALS TO SIT IN FRONT OF MONITORS AND WAIT FOR
SOMETHING TO HAPPEN?>>IF THE ALARM GOES OFF, YOU
CAN’T RESPOND TO THAT.>>YOU NEVER KNOW.>>THE LARGER ISSUE, TO PICK
UP ON DAN’S PREVIOUS, ENGLAND, FOR INSTANCE, HAS A PHENOMENAL
NETWORK OF CAMERAS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND LONDON, IN
PARTICULAR, IS VERY DENSELY COVERED IN CAMERAS. I HAVE BOTH A QUESTION ABOUT
WHETHER WE LOSE SOME OF OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES WHEN WE LIVE
IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THAT AND ALSO ABOUT THE
EFFECTIVENESS. IN LONDON, THEY HAVE FOUND
APPARENTLY THAT MORE STREET LAMPS ARE MORE EFFECTIVE IN
FIGHTING CRIME THAN MORE CAMERAS. SO, WHAT ARE WE INVESTING IN? ARE WE INVESTING IN ANOTHER
TASER LIKE SITUATION WHERE WE SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY WITH
SOME COMPANY TO KNIT THIS TOGETHER FOR US, BUT WE DON’T
REALLY HAVE THE TRAINING, RESOURCES AND COPS AS DAN WAS
SAYING, TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE IN A POSITIVE WAY. I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AS WELL. APD HAS PUT TOGETHER AN APP
THAT YOU CAN DOWNLOAD AND WHEN YOU DO DOWNLOAD IT, YOU GIVE
APD EXTRAORDINARY PERMISSIONS TO ACCESS ALL THE CONTENT ON
YOUR PHONE. WHERE ARE YOU, WHO HAVE YOU
BEEN CALLING, TEXTING. WE MIGHT LOOK AT SOMETHING
LIKE THIS AND SAY THAT LOOKS AWESOME, JUST LIKE MANY PEOPLE
LOOKED AT THE APP AND SAID WE WANT THAT, BUT WHAT ARE WE
GIVING UP?>>STEPHEN, I USE THE EXAMPLE,
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU’RE A CRIMINAL AND YOU COME UP ON A
BUSINESS THAT HAS A BIG SIGN THAT SAYS, WE ARE PART OF THE
SCAN NETWORK AND IF YOU WALK IN HERE AFTER-HOURS, WE’RE
GOING TO SEE YOU AND COPS ARE GOING TO BE HERE IMMEDIATELY. IS THAT NOT A DETERRENT?>>I HAVE A FRIEND JUST THIS
WEEK, HAS A BUSINESS ON NORTH FOURTH STREET, AND HE HAS
SECURITY CAMERAS, SIGNS THAT SAY, YOU’RE ON A SECURITY
CAMERA AND THERE IS A SIGN THAT SAYS, THERE IS AN ALARM. AND THIS GUY JUST BUSTED IN,
THE ALARM WENT OFF, HE GRABBED THE FIRST COMPUTER HE COULD
AND LEFT. BUT IT IS CERTAINLY NOT A
COMPLETE DETERRENT BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG — CERTAINLY
NOTHING WRONG WITH MAPPING AND FINDING OUT WHO HAS CAMERAS,
WHO HAS INFORMATION, CAN HELP INVESTIGATIONS, AND ALSO
ANOTHER PROGRAM WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A REALTIME
CAMERAS IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY. SO THEY CAN ALERT COPS WHO ARE
GOING TO THE SCENE OR AT THE SCENE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. BUT IT IS NOT A MONITORING
SYSTEM AS DESCRIBED. BUT FUNDAMENTALLY AFTER HAVING
SAID ALL THAT, I AGREE WITH DAN. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT CRIME, WE NEED TO HAVE INCREASED POLICING AND
BETTER POLICING, COMMUNITY POLICING.>>WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
THIS AS A TOOL DAN? WE HAVEN’T TOUCHED ON
RESIDENTIAL CAMERAS. TALK ABOUT BUSINESS.>>I GET WHERE IT IS COMING
FROM. I GET THE FRUSTRATION AND THE
FEAR PEOPLE ARE FEELING. I HAVE SEEN REPORTS ABOUT
PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THEIR BUSINESS WITH A GUN. I CAN SEE WHERE IT IS COMING
FROM BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. REMINDS ME LIKE WE ARE HEADED
TOWARD THE TRUMAN SHOW, WHERE YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS DOCUMENTED
ON VIDEO. AND THAT IS A FRIGHTFUL THING,
HOW MUCH LIBERTY ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP. [MULTIPLE VOICES]
>>CIVIL LIBERTY PART, WE ACQUIESCED AND GAVE THE POLICE
THE CIVIL FORFEITURE ACT AND WE SEE HOW WELL THAT HAS GONE. NOW ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM
THIS RIGHT IN THE BUSINESS AND SAY, WE TRUST YOU GUYS NOT TO
EXCEED YOUR DEAL. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU READ THE
BOOK BY JUDGE NAPOLITANO ABOUT SUICIDE PACT, PHENOMENAL BOOK
ABOUT HOW MUCH WE ARE GIVING UP LIBERTY ALL IN NAME OF
BEING SAFE AGAIN. I TELL PEOPLE BEFORE WE GET
INTO THIS SCAN, THINK ABOUT HOW THE CIVIL FORFEITURE HAS
WORKED. IT’S BEEN A TRAIN WRECK.>>GORDON EDEN SAID THIS IS
NOT A MONITORING PROGRAM. WE DO NOT MONITOR YOUR
CAMERAS. IT IS NETWORKING CAPABILITY
AND AN INVESTIGATIVE TOOL.>>IT IS ALSO, PROBABLY, GENE
A STEP TOWARD THAT.>>THAT IS THE ULTIMATE
QUESTION.>>THEY DO SAY UNDER CERTAIN
CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU CAN HAVE THE APD MONITOR. [MULTIPLE VOICES]
>>THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE ON THIS FRIDAY NIGHT.

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One Reply to “Episode 1105 | THE LINE: Bernalillo County’s Security Camera Analytical Network”

  1. Dan Boyd: Can we see some empirical evidence showing that the increase of police presence reduces crime? From what I have tuned into, I am yet to hear you cite any hard data on this topic.

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